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serger needles

fabricholic | Posted in General Sewing Info on

Are serger needles the same as sewing machines needles? Is it the size that makes it a serger needle? My 936 uses an 80 and a 90. I see the 90 under serger needles but, not the 80. I need to buy some spare needles. Will anyone help me with this?

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  1. MaryinColorado | | #1

    My Husq/Viking Huskylock 936 takes the Universal needles, generally I use Schmetz Universal 80 or 90, but have used other sizes with good results. Check your manual, I remember one of the stitches uses an 80 on one side and a 90 on the other. 

    Those serger needles are for other brands that require them.  Mary

    1. fabricholic | | #4

      O.k. then it is just the size that matters. Good. I can find those needles at a lot of places.Thank you Mary.Marcy

      1. MaryinColorado | | #6

        Universal not serger.  What are you serging?  I need to serge edge some new flannel so I can wash it and avoid the ravelling.  It will be backing for a pieced tablecloth I don't want to add backing and make it too thick.  Mary

        1. fabricholic | | #7

          I've already sewn some sheet panels 29 1/2 x 36 with a hem on top and bottom. I sewed it for a friend who is paying me. It goes in some wood panels that have a 7 5/8 metal rod and a small spring. The material was beautiful. The place wanted $440 to make 8 panels. I did it for $200. Made me some money for a body wave and hair cut, plus some money to go to Sips N Strokes. Yea!

          1. MaryinColorado | | #8

            That's wonderful!  Congratulations!  Woohoo, have fun.  What is Sips and Strokes?  Mary

          2. fabricholic | | #9

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          3. MaryinColorado | | #10

            oh, that sounds just perfect!  I will check it out, thank You!

  2. stillsuesew | | #2

    Yes, they are the same needles. My serger doesn't seem to mind what the fabric/needle combination is as much as my sewing machine does. But if I was going to be sewing on stretch lycra, for instance, I might put in a stretch needle. As always, test, test, test on a scrap to see if you like what is happening.

    1. fabricholic | | #5

      I wasn't sure and I knew you guys would know. Thank you. I was sewing on some sheers, 5 thread overlock, and every once in a while, the material would get a pull in it. I could pull it back out but, it made me start thinking that I might have a burr on my needle and I needed backup needles anyway.
      Thank you,
      Marcy

      1. MaryinColorado | | #15

        For the sheers, I'd go ahead and try size 75/11 Universal needles and see if they correct that pulling.  Just start with a slow speed on a scrap and see what it looks like and how your 936 feels and sounds.  Mary

  3. MaryinColorado | | #3

    See page 2 in the little Operating Manual it shows the Schmetz 10/705H size 80 or 90 Universal needles for home machines.  I think those serger specific needles might be for older or industrial machines, they don't fit the 936.

    Be sure to either use that little plastic gizmo to hold your needles or cover the feedplate so you don't drop needles down the hole!  Ask me how I know.  It helped me to remove the presser foot and put a flat mirror down on the plate and look up at where the holes are when I was first learning to change the needles.  Let me know if I can help more.  hugs, Mary

  4. jjgg | | #11

    If your serger does a cover hem, you should probably use the needles that have a "EL" on them, this has a double scarf made so that it will catch the looper thread and avoid skipped stitches.

    http://www.schmetzneedles.com/shop/index.php?cat=2&

    scroll down to the next to last one on this page.

    1. MaryinColorado | | #12

      I've had the Huskylock 936 for a really long time, the dealerships and the manuals recommend Schmetz Universal needles size 80 or 90 (or 75/11 for delicate fabrics), even with the coverstitch.  You move the needles position for coverstitch on this machine.  You can also use the stretch needles for serging knits on this serger.  You can go to Husq/VikingUSA's website, choose Huskylock sergers, choose Accessories and it tells to use these needles there too.  Mary

      Edited 9/15/2009 6:30 pm by MaryinColorado

      1. fabricholic | | #14

        Thanks, Mary. I know you have done about everything this machine can do.
        Marcy

    2. fabricholic | | #13

      Thanks for the information.
      Marcy

  5. regatta | | #16

    On  schmetzneedles.com  they have a "do you have a needle question?" where you could maybe find out what you want to know.

    Marika

    1. fabricholic | | #17

      Thanks for that information.Marcy

  6. dressed2atee | | #18

    Good question, I have the Babylock Evolve and it came with specific serger needles.  I always use this type.  I think they is something different about them.  I'm going to check with my dealer.  I'll post what I find out.

    1. fabricholic | | #19

      O.k. but, I think for the 936, Mary would know. I know what all she has done with that serger and it is incredible. If she says regular Schmetz needles, I believe her. You should find out for your machine. I've just got to get some spares, just to have.
      Thanks,
      Marcy

      1. dressed2atee | | #20

        Just found out from my dealer that my Babylock Evolve will take regular needles in a pinch.  But, because of the special "scraf" of the serger needle I will get a better stitch when using the serger needle.  She also said not to go higher than a 14 when using a regular needle.

        1. fabricholic | | #21

          What is scraf?

          1. dressed2atee | | #22

            Scarf – Indentation on the back of the needle just above the eye. This allows the hook of the bobbin case to get close to the eye of the needle to catch the thread and form a stitch. Stretch sewing machine needles have a deeper scarf that eliminates skipped stitches.

            Overlock

            From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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            This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (March 2008)

            View ImageThe purl stitch (2007)

            An overlock stitch sews over the edge of one or two pieces of cloth for edging, hemming or seaming. Usually an overlock sewing machine will cut the edges of the cloth as they are fed through (such machines are called ‘sergers’), though some are made without cutters. The inclusion of automated cutters allows overlock machines to create finished seams easily and quickly. An overlock sewing machine differs from a lockstitch sewing machine in that it utilizes loopers fed by multiple thread cones rather than a bobbin. Loopers serve to create thread loops that pass from the needle thread to the edges of the fabric so that the edges of the fabric are contained within the seam. Overlock sewing machines usually run at high speeds, from 1000 to 9000 rpm, and most are used in industrial setting for edging, hemming and seaming a variety of fabrics and products. Overlock stitches are extremely versatile, as they can be used for decoration, reinforcement, or construction.

            Overlocking is also referred to as “overedging”, “merrowing” or “serging”. Though “serging” technically refers to overlocking with cutters, in practice the four terms are used interchangeably.

             

            Edited 9/16/2009 1:27 pm ET by dressed2atee

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